Packaging EULA's

Hello,

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes, w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?

Thanks

--Adam--

Adam Smith <adamsmith (AT) econ (DOT) com> scripsit:

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes, w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?

There's nothing neat in such dialog boxes. They exist just to please lawyers
that imagine that the dialogs have a legal meaning and work with such issues
since they cannot find neither a more profitable nor a more decent job.

If you want to know how to piss off your visitors with such boxes on web
pages, just look at the source code. You may need to ask the nearest kid for
help in dealing with the way that the page may seem to have "hidden its
source".

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

Adam Smith <adamsmith (AT) econ (DOT) com> scripsit:

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes, w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?

There's nothing neat in such dialog boxes. They exist just to please
lawyers that imagine that the dialogs have a legal meaning and work with
such issues since they cannot find neither a more profitable nor a more
decent job.

What makes you think they don't have a legal meaning, and why do you
seem so disdainful about people placing conditions on the use of their
property?

If you want to know how to piss off your visitors with such boxes on web
pages, just look at the source code.

Do you get pissed off that a landlord wants you to agree to some
conditions before allowing you to live in a house he owns?

Harlan Messinger wrote:

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Adam Smith <adamsmith (AT) econ (DOT) com> scripsit:

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes, w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?

There's nothing neat in such dialog boxes. They exist just to please
lawyers that imagine that the dialogs have a legal meaning and work
with such issues since they cannot find neither a more profitable nor
a more decent job.

What makes you think they don't have a legal meaning, and why do you
seem so disdainful about people placing conditions on the use of their
property?

If you want to know how to piss off your visitors with such boxes on
web pages, just look at the source code.

Do you get pissed off that a landlord wants you to agree to some
conditions before allowing you to live in a house he owns?

Well, I regarded that as coming from an immature, naive source. I am
surprised that I haven't received any directions to the question though,
or ahve I posted to the wrong forum (It so hard to tell).

Adam Smith wrote:

Harlan Messinger wrote:
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Adam Smith <adamsmith (AT) econ (DOT) com> scripsit:

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes, w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?

There's nothing neat in such dialog boxes. They exist just to please
lawyers that imagine that the dialogs have a legal meaning and work
with such issues since they cannot find neither a more profitable nor
a more decent job.

What makes you think they don't have a legal meaning, and why do you
seem so disdainful about people placing conditions on the use of their
property?

If you want to know how to piss off your visitors with such boxes on
web pages, just look at the source code.

Do you get pissed off that a landlord wants you to agree to some
conditions before allowing you to live in a house he owns?

Well, I regarded that as coming from an immature, naive source. I am
surprised that I haven't received any directions to the question though,
or ahve I posted to the wrong forum (It so hard to tell).

Maybe if you elaborate on your application of this EULA you may receive
more specific advice.

How an application does it and a web site differers greatly. An
application is compiled and interacts with the OS's API directly to
create a dialog box. With a website you would need essentially a login
form and you EULA page would log the user on to protected pages.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Adam Smith <adamsmith (AT) econ (DOT) com> scripsit:

Well, I regarded that as coming from an immature, naive source.

The EULA stuff you mean? Quite probable. (It's hard to tell what someone is
referring to with a pronoun "that" in some text that follows a lengthy
quotation.)

I am
surprised that I haven't received any directions to the question
though, or ahve I posted to the wrong forum (It so hard to tell).

Then you apparently didn't read my response or you failed to understand it.
Your question hardly has much to do with HTML, and I actually gave you
directions to the _question_ indeed.

ObHTML: If you want to see _huge_ amounts of keyword spamming, view
http://www.econ.com
on a text browser or view its source.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Adam Smith wrote:

Hello,

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes,

where they are utterly unreadable. I always delete it and
substitute "I can't read this in a ridiculous little text box",
or words to that effect, before agreeing.

w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?

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--
Nick Kew

Application Development with Apache - the Apache Modules Book
http://www.prenhallprofessional.com/title/0132409674

Andy Mabbett wrote:

In message <4mijcsF6c4otU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net>, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removethis (AT) comcast (DOT) net> writes

[snip]

What makes you think [click-through agreements] don't have a legal
meaning

Rather than asking Jukka to prove a negative, why don't you tell us
what makes you think that they do?

I remember this coming up a while back and, out of curiosity, I
Googled[1]. The first result[2], and the one I remember the most,
suggests that the binding nature of user agreements varies based on
jurisdiction (not surprising, really), and is subject to certain
constraints.

Mike (not a lawyer!)


[1] <http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=click-through+agreements+legality>
[2] <http://www.andrewpatrick.ca/jitcta/jitcta.html>

Andy Mabbett wrote:

In message <4mijcsF6c4otU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net>, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removethis (AT) comcast (DOT) net> writes

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Adam Smith <adamsmith (AT) econ (DOT) com> scripsit:

Many program & sites package their EULA's in neat dialog boxes, w/ I
Agree, Do Not Agree Radio buttons. Could someone say how this is done?
There's nothing neat in such dialog boxes. They exist just to please
lawyers that imagine that the dialogs have a legal meaning and work
with such issues since they cannot find neither a more profitable nor
a more decent job.
What makes you think they don't have a legal meaning

Rather than asking Jukka to prove a negative, why don't you tell us what
makes you think that they do?

A click-through agreement possesses all the elements that, in the US at
least, constitute a valid contract, and to anyone familiar with
contracts this much is obvious. If you're interested, see

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c123.htm

and in particular the part about parol contracts.

It's Jukka making the claim that something that is obviously a contract
isn't legally binding. Of course, the whole matter is muddied because
Jukka may be talking about Finland or the EU, and I don't know the law
there.

Harlan Messinger wrote:

A click-through agreement possesses all the elements that, in the US at
least, constitute a valid contract, and to anyone familiar with
contracts this much is obvious. If you're interested, see

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c123.htm

and in particular the part about parol contracts.

US contract law comes from British contract law, so I'm guessing the
fundamentals might still be similar in the UK even after 230 years.