opening a new window....not a tab

On 20 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:42:08 +0200, Neredbojias writ:

Whoever invented tabs should burn in hell for all eternity.

That would be Opera, my favorite browser... >8-O

En Garde!

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...? Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is
where the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:29:09 +0000, Neredbojias writ:

On 20 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:42:08 +0200, Neredbojias writ:

Whoever invented tabs should burn in hell for all eternity.

That would be Opera, my favorite browser... >8-O

En Garde!

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...?

No, it's greyed out, just like on a new window. But...

Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is where
the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

When I open a link in a new tab (here by clicking the mouse wheel), and
I'm done with that new tab, I simply close the tab, which brings me back
to the original tab. Unlike using the back button, I don't have to wait
for the original page to reload, because it never went anywhere, and who
knows, maybe I want to keep the new page/site open. Maybe I'm shopping,
and one tab has a list of goods, and three other tabs have different item
details.

I taught my wife how to use tabs with her Yahoo mail. Want to read an
email, click it with the mouse wheel. It opens in a new tab. Done with the
email, close the tab and there's the original list of emails just like she
left it. No waiting. No confusion of multiple Firefox windows showing in
her taskbar. Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th century. ;-)

However I understand that some folks just flat out don't like'm. To each
his/her own, but I think they're missing out.

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:23:47 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:

Ed wrote:

freemont wrote:
richard writ:
Need a way to open a link in an entirely new window. Using the
"target" attribute only creates a new tab. Regardless of which
value I try. I can live with it but I'd prefer the entire new
window.

So what's the best way of doing this? Nothing online yet but may
have later.

If there were a way to do this, it would piss me off quick. I prefer
tabs, not windows, so I've set my browsers to use tabs in
preference.

If a site were able to force new windows to open, I would not use
that site.

Is there a problem with new windows?

The problem is mostly for n00bs (and for people who surf with maximized
browser windows). The new window completely covers the existing window,
but its Back Button is .. um .. disabled? No, there is nothing to go
back *to* in this window.

So the n00b just clicks their Google button and goes to find something
else to read, and doesn't come back to site that opened the window.
Later on, when they are ready to call it a day, they find the old
window... but meanwhile they bought their widget from someone else.

OTOH, noob goes to a site with his browser set to block popups, and
can't figure out why he doesn't get certain expected things to show up
like a new page. While many writers persist on javascript to create a
new window just to give some short answer to a question when he could
have done that in the same window. While some sites insist on JS popup
windows to get your information from you. Yet, some insist on "pop
unders" so that you don't see them until you do close out your main
windows.

Thankfully, with grouped items in the tray, noob might be smart enough
to see that there are more browsers instances open than he had known
about and just might close them out by pure dumb luck.

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:29:09 +0000 (UTC), Neredbojias
<me@http://www.neredbojias.com/_eml/fliam.php> wrote:

On 20 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:42:08 +0200, Neredbojias writ:

Whoever invented tabs should burn in hell for all eternity.

That would be Opera, my favorite browser... >8-O

En Garde!

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...? Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is
where the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

A new tab just replaces a new window. The back button is active within
that tab only. It does not jump between tabs.

I've never seen buttons on the bottom.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:10:17 +0000, freemont
<freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:29:09 +0000, Neredbojias writ:

On 20 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:42:08 +0200, Neredbojias writ:

Whoever invented tabs should burn in hell for all eternity.

That would be Opera, my favorite browser... >8-O

En Garde!

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...?

No, it's greyed out, just like on a new window. But...

Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is where
the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

When I open a link in a new tab (here by clicking the mouse wheel), and
I'm done with that new tab, I simply close the tab, which brings me back
to the original tab. Unlike using the back button, I don't have to wait
for the original page to reload, because it never went anywhere, and who
knows, maybe I want to keep the new page/site open. Maybe I'm shopping,
and one tab has a list of goods, and three other tabs have different item
details.

I taught my wife how to use tabs with her Yahoo mail. Want to read an
email, click it with the mouse wheel. It opens in a new tab. Done with the
email, close the tab and there's the original list of emails just like she
left it. No waiting. No confusion of multiple Firefox windows showing in
her taskbar. Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th century. ;-)

However I understand that some folks just flat out don't like'm. To each
his/her own, but I think they're missing out.

In a lot of ways I prefer the tabs method. Vista shows a mini screen
shot of each open window so if I have more than 1 open, I can see
easily which one I want rather than just guessing.

On 20 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:29:09 +0000, Neredbojias writ:

On 20 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:42:08 +0200, Neredbojias writ:

Whoever invented tabs should burn in hell for all eternity.

That would be Opera, my favorite browser... >8-O

En Garde!

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...?

No, it's greyed out, just like on a new window. But...

Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is where
the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

When I open a link in a new tab (here by clicking the mouse wheel),
and I'm done with that new tab, I simply close the tab, which brings
me back to the original tab. Unlike using the back button, I don't
have to wait for the original page to reload, because it never went
anywhere, and who knows, maybe I want to keep the new page/site open.
Maybe I'm shopping, and one tab has a list of goods, and three other
tabs have different item details.

I taught my wife how to use tabs with her Yahoo mail. Want to read an
email, click it with the mouse wheel. It opens in a new tab. Done with
the email, close the tab and there's the original list of emails just
like she left it. No waiting. No confusion of multiple Firefox windows
showing in her taskbar.

Ahem, so there's a "confusion" of tabs on top of the browser window
instead. Anyway, I really don't see a heck of a lot of difference. I
prefer new windows basically because disabling tabs gives me more
viewport and I don't use that functionality much, anyway. I don't
condemn them, really, but - eh, who cares...

Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th
century. ;-)

Yeah, back in the last millenium we even had fixed-width websites. Hard
to believe, ain't it?

However I understand that some folks just flat out don't like'm. To
each his/her own, but I think they're missing out.

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On 20 Apr 2008, richard <i.do.not (AT) ca (DOT) re> wrote:

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...? Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is
where the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

A new tab just replaces a new window. The back button is active within
that tab only. It does not jump between tabs.

So a tab is basically an additional in-browser new window.

I've never seen buttons on the bottom.

I mean the restore "things" on the taskbar.

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On 2008-04-21, Neredbojias <me@http> wrote:

On 20 Apr 2008, richard <i.do.not (AT) ca (DOT) re> wrote:

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...? Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is
where the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

A new tab just replaces a new window. The back button is active within
that tab only. It does not jump between tabs.

So a tab is basically an additional in-browser new window.

Correct, and really tabs should be built into the OS desktop window
manager, not into the browser, so you can use them for all sorts of
applications not just browsers. I think newer versions of KDE may
already do this.

The truth revealed by tabs is that most desktop window managers aren't
very good at managing windows. They clutter your desktop with usually no
easy way of sorting them or moving between them. More than 3 or 4
windows soon becomes annoying so many people prefer another 30 or so
tabs tucked away in each one of them.

Resizing and moving windows, which is what desktop window managers are
good at and some of which is what tabs take away from you, is not
something you actually want to do very often in practice. You mostly
want a couple of windows visible at any one time but to rotate the
contents of each one around from a much larger selection. A couple of
terminal windows with screen(1) running in each one is pretty good. It
would be nice to have a graphical version of screen.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:05:03 +0000, Neredbojias writ:

Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th century. ;-)

Yeah, back in the last millenium we even had fixed-width websites. Hard
to believe, ain't it?

Ahem.
/me stuffs hands in pockets, whistles, kicks at imaginary rock
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On 21 Apr 2008, freemont <freemont (AT) spammenotfreemontsoffice (DOT) com> wrote:

Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th century. ;-)

Yeah, back in the last millenium we even had fixed-width websites. Hard
to believe, ain't it?

Ahem.
/me stuffs hands in pockets, whistles, kicks at imaginary rock

<grin>

When I stick my hands in my pockets, I try to avoid rocks.

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