How can I stop XP 'Large Fonts' affecting web page?

"Chris Tomlinson" <anon (AT) anon (DOT) com> writes:

How is it supposed to be possible to use a table like that at
www.superhighstreet.com and yet have it viewable in different font sizes? I
can't see this is doable. :-S

Looking at that page, I don't see anything that should be a table.
They do have a lot of *lists* though.

The rounded boxes scale badly because the images define the width.
You can do that with CSS and a lot of nested divs, also so that it
scales:
<URL:http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/corners.html>

The two-column design in the lower box is a classic CSS "problem".
Just google for "CSS" and "columns" and you'll find lots and lots.

/L
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On Sun, 28 May 2006, Randy Webb wrote:

Who still supports outdated antiquated software other than IE6?

Many older browser/versions are still quite capable of browsing the
content of decently-made web pages, even if they don't produce the
cosmetic results which modern browsers could achieve. Better to
"support" proper web design techniques, than to "support" specific
browser brands and versions.[1]

But what on Earth do you think that question has got to do with the
topic of this thread - the appropriate choice of text size units for
web pages?

[1] See e.g http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/essence.html

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote

Oh, I see. You want to use tables for layout. Sorry, can't help you with
that. I've moved into the 21st century. <g

The superhighstreet site is using ancient <font> elements, which I have
not used since .. probably 1998?
font face="Verdana" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"

Thanks all of you for your advice so far. It is true, I am new to web
design and building Superhighstreet has been a learning experience, however
I have mainly used FrontPage 2003 which by default has inserted that usage
of fonts.

I am keen to make my browser more compatible, however I still think it is
too much to redo those tables with corner shadow images - there still seems
to be debate as to whether nested divs are a better option. So many sites
use what I am using, so for now if that's good enough for them it's good
enough for me.

But I do agree that users without IE7 or Opera should be able to enlarge the
text if they don't have a page zoom option.

So, next question: Is there an easy way to convert my page to use CSS? I
have to say I don't know much about CSS as yet, but are there by any chance
any 'converter' pieces of software or web pages? Doubt it but worth asking

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Me

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"Neredbojias" <http://www.neredbojias.com/fliam.php?cat=alt.html> wrote in
message news:Xns97D0F07334A2Ahttpwwwneredbojiasco (AT) 208 (DOT) 49.80.251...

Incidentally, in something like <font size="4">text</font>, the font-size
_is_ relative, just like em units. But that type of markup was deprecated
years ago.

Thanks for the feedback. I feel if it's good enough for the BBC to fix
their font size, it may be good enough for me. Do you have any simple line
I can add to the HTML to emulate the fact that theirs doesn't change size
(at least in IE6/7)?
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Me

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Alan J. Flavell said the following on 5/28/2006 6:48 AM:

On Sun, 28 May 2006, Randy Webb wrote:

Who still supports outdated antiquated software other than IE6?

Many older browser/versions are still quite capable of browsing the
content of decently-made web pages, even if they don't produce the
cosmetic results which modern browsers could achieve.

Plain text has that effect...

Let me ask you this though, do you still support Netscape 4? And if so -
why. If not, why not?

Technology evolves and those who choose to stay in the dark ages deserve
to stay in the dark.

Better to "support" proper web design techniques, than to "support"
specific browser brands and versions.[1]

True. And if even half, no make that a quarter, of the current "web
developers" understood that, this conversation would never have been
started to begin with.

But what on Earth do you think that question has got to do with the
topic of this thread - the appropriate choice of text size units for
web pages?

The same thing that topic has to do with Javascript and
comp.lang.javascript where I am reading it from.

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Randy Webb wrote:

Let me ask you this though, do you still support Netscape 4?

For a definition of "support" that comes to "entirely accessible, even if it
doesn't look all that pretty".

And if so - why.

Why not? It doesn't take any extra effort on my part.

Technology evolves and those who choose to stay in the dark ages deserve
to stay in the dark.

What about those who have no choice?

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Chris Tomlinson wrote:

Thanks for the feedback. I feel if it's good enough for the BBC to fix
their font size

I've just skimmed the style sheets of the BBC homepage, font-size appears to
be defined in ems throughout.

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Chris Tomlinson <anon (AT) anon (DOT) com> scripsit:

font face="Verdana" size="2" color="#FFFFFF"
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I have mainly used FrontPage 2003 which by default has
inserted that usage of fonts.

No, it hasn't. You have used FrontPage's font-oriented formatting instead of
the menus and buttons that operate on more logical constructs.

Contrary to widespread belief, it is possible to create well-designed,
structurally sound pages using FrontPage. It isn't even difficult. Most
people who use FrontPage don't use such options, but that's a different
issue.

If you use font formatting commands, FrontPage converts them to
font-oriented markup. It needs to, more or less.

FrontPage even has tools for constructing a style sheet via menus. However,
it might be easier to type in CSS code by hand.

But I do agree that users without IE7 or Opera should be able to
enlarge the text if they don't have a page zoom option.

Page zooming and font resizability are _not_ two alternative ways to achieve
the same thing. They are two different features, and the existence of one of
them is no excuse for making your best to prevent the other from working.

So, next question: Is there an easy way to convert my page to use
CSS?

No. You should probably redesign it from scratch, if you have now used
FrontPage's presentational features.

Follow-ups trimmed. This thread has nothing to do with JavaScript-

On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:32:14 GMT, "Chris Tomlinson" <anon (AT) anon (DOT) com>
wrote:

"Neredbojias" <http://www.neredbojias.com/fliam.php?cat=alt.html> wrote in
message news:Xns97D0F07334A2Ahttpwwwneredbojiasco (AT) 208 (DOT) 49.80.251...

Incidentally, in something like <font size="4">text</font>, the font-size
_is_ relative, just like em units. But that type of markup was deprecated
years ago.

Thanks for the feedback. I feel if it's good enough for the BBC to fix
their font size, it may be good enough for me.

It's rather the other way around. If ones content is sufficiently
important / well-known, one can more easily get away with inferior
layout.

In fact I've just tried out the BBC site in IE: it's a bit weird. The
index pages and side-bars seem to have fixed size text, but the main
article text and some other components are resizable.

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"Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela (AT) cs (DOT) tut.fi> wrote

Contrary to widespread belief, it is possible to create well-designed,
structurally sound pages using FrontPage. It isn't even difficult. Most
people who use FrontPage don't use such options, but that's a different
issue.

Thanks, am now doing MS's very good 45 minute course on CSS within FrontPage

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Thanks,
Me

I recommend www.Superhighstreet.com/home Finds anything or they pay for it!