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04-11-2008
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Hi Guys, I have developed some code that allows me to create transparent tables, however some of these tables need to be able to expand and shrink. I can do it but it requires javascript to document.write certain parts of the html differently depending on browser type. THE QUESTION: Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? THE EXAMPLE URL: http://www.microbuild.com/microbuild...d_example.html |
In fact you often have to do this if you write valid xhtml 1.1 code
and serve it properly as application/xhtml+xml, because a
document.write in javascript is usually not allowed because of xml
considerations. For instance, you might drag in something that is
unclosed with a document.write, and that is a very serious and often
fatal error for xml devices. Thus many xml parsers are set not to
allow document.write. Also with PHP with the GD extension(built in on
the fairly recent versions of php, but must be installed on a few
early versions) you can write code with GD for text on a transparent
background. Thus, for some text tables, you could expand or reduce the
image size for the resulting png or whatever in the usual way.
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On Apr 11, 7:33 am, "Andrew Bailey" <a... (AT) REMOVETOEMAILMEmanyplay (DOT) com wrote: Hi Guys, I have developed some code that allows me to create transparent tables, however some of these tables need to be able to expand and shrink. I can do it but it requires javascript to document.write certain parts of the html differently depending on browser type. THE QUESTION: Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? THE EXAMPLE URL: http://www.microbuild.com/microbuild...d_example.html It should be possible to use php on the server rather than javascript. In fact you often have to do this if you write valid xhtml 1.1 code and serve it properly as application/xhtml+xml, because a document.write in javascript is usually not allowed because of xml considerations. For instance, you might drag in something that is unclosed with a document.write, and that is a very serious and often fatal error for xml devices. Thus many xml parsers are set not to allow document.write. Also with PHP with the GD extension(built in on the fairly recent versions of php, but must be installed on a few early versions) you can write code with GD for text on a transparent background. Thus, for some text tables, you could expand or reduce the image size for the resulting png or whatever in the usual way. |
think the gist is that using document.write for page rendering is bad and
that's exactly what I want to avoid.
Andy
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I have developed some code that allows me to create transparent tables, however some of these tables need to be able to expand and shrink. I can do it but it requires javascript to document.write certain parts of the html differently depending on browser type. 1. Some people do not have JS enabled. Using JS as an integral part of the |
2. There is no such protocol as "javascript:" even though it is
unofficially supported by most browsers. Provide a proper link and use the
"onclick" attribute to service the JS functionality. And again those who
have JS disabled cannot effectively use your site.
3. Browser sniffing is inherently bad. There is almost no reason to write
browser-specific code. Those rare and bizarre cases are due to IE
limitations and can be worked around using IE-specific conditional
statements in the header.
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THE QUESTION: Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? Yes. |
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On 04/11/08 05:33 am, Andrew Bailey wrote: I have developed some code that allows me to create transparent tables, however some of these tables need to be able to expand and shrink. I can do it but it requires javascript to document.write certain parts of the html differently depending on browser type. |
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1. Some people do not have JS enabled. Using JS as an integral part of the display rendering is therefore a poor plan. |
WITHOUT javascript.
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2. There is no such protocol as "javascript:" even though it is unofficially supported by most browsers. Provide a proper link and use the "onclick" attribute to service the JS functionality. And again those who have JS disabled cannot effectively use your site. |
WITHOUT javascript.
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3. Browser sniffing is inherently bad. There is almost no reason to write browser-specific code. Those rare and bizarre cases are due to IE limitations and can be worked around using IE-specific conditional statements in the header. |
WITHOUT javascript.
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THE QUESTION: Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? Yes. |
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Hi Guys, |
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Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? THE EXAMPLE URL: http://www.microbuild.com/microbuild...d_example.html |
world using server-side methods. Here is an _empirical_ php example:
<div>
TEST<br>
TEST<br>
TEST<br>
<? if ($biggy) { ?>
TEST<br>
TEST<br>
TEST<br>
TEST<br>
TEST<br>
<? } ?>
</div>
<a href="mypage.php?biggy=anything">Expand</a>
Btw, Jim Moe isn't an idiot, and you should really be more polite when
you're asking for help.
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http://www.neredbojias.com/
Great sights and sounds
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1. Some people do not have JS enabled. Using JS as an integral part of the display rendering is therefore a poor plan. Hello?... yes I AGREE, I'm trying to find a way to achieve the same effect WITHOUT javascript. You did not ask about this. 2. There is no such protocol as "javascript:" even though it is unofficially supported by most browsers. Provide a proper link and use the "onclick" attribute to service the JS functionality. And again those who have JS disabled cannot effectively use your site. Hello?... yes I AGREE, I'm trying to find a way to achieve the same effect WITHOUT javascript. I just showed you how. 3. Browser sniffing is inherently bad. There is almost no reason to write browser-specific code. Those rare and bizarre cases are due to IE limitations and can be worked around using IE-specific conditional statements in the header. Hello?... yes I AGREE, I'm trying to find a way to achieve the same effect WITHOUT javascript. You did not ask about this. THE QUESTION: Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? Yes. Well thanks for that... IDIOT!!! You asked, I answered. Pardon me for being on point. |
meaningful answer beyond that it can be done.
There are server-side opions.
There are CSS opions.
Why is a dropdown (<select> element) insufficient for your design?
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Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? |
errors, but replaced j/s with ss. See it here:
http://www.neredbojias.com/tsttst/expand_ex.php
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http://www.neredbojias.com/
Great sights and sounds
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On 04/12/08 06:38 am, Andrew Bailey wrote: 1. Some people do not have JS enabled. Using JS as an integral part of the display rendering is therefore a poor plan. Hello?... yes I AGREE, I'm trying to find a way to achieve the same effect WITHOUT javascript. You did not ask about this. 2. There is no such protocol as "javascript:" even though it is unofficially supported by most browsers. Provide a proper link and use the "onclick" attribute to service the JS functionality. And again those who have JS disabled cannot effectively use your site. Hello?... yes I AGREE, I'm trying to find a way to achieve the same effect WITHOUT javascript. I just showed you how. 3. Browser sniffing is inherently bad. There is almost no reason to write browser-specific code. Those rare and bizarre cases are due to IE limitations and can be worked around using IE-specific conditional statements in the header. Hello?... yes I AGREE, I'm trying to find a way to achieve the same effect WITHOUT javascript. You did not ask about this. THE QUESTION: Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? Yes. Well thanks for that... IDIOT!!! You asked, I answered. Pardon me for being on point. You did not provide sufficient (or any, actually) context for a meaningful answer beyond that it can be done. There are server-side opions. There are CSS opions. Why is a dropdown (<select> element) insufficient for your design? -- jmm (hyphen) list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com (Remove .AXSPAMGN for email) |
Apologies for being short with you but from my point of view it really does
look like you either didn't read or don't understand the original post.
here it is again...
Hi Guys,
I have developed some code that allows me to create transparent tables,
however some of these tables need to be able to expand and shrink.
I can do it but it requires javascript to document.write certain parts of
the html differently depending on browser type.
THE QUESTION:
Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript?
THE EXAMPLE URL:
http://www.microbuild.com/microbuild...d_example.html
Many thanks
Andy
....So I've got some code that works BUT (as in it's a bad thing) it uses
javascript and as my question clearly states, I want to create the same
effect WITHOUT using javascript.
.... I then provide a link to a test url which reiterates the question in
both the content and the code.
The reason why I was short is that the first comment you make is...
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1. Some people do not have JS enabled. Using JS as an integral part of the display rendering is therefore a poor plan. |
Then you say...
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2. There is no such protocol as "javascript:" even though it is unofficially supported by most browsers. Provide a proper link and use the "onclick" attribute to service the JS functionality. And again those who have JS disabled cannot effectively use your site. |
the question (the only onclick / link is a small bit of test code to switch
some content from short to long to demonstrate that my example cell can
expand)... and then you repeat yourself about using javascript like you
almost think I'm saying the opposite of what I am... I DON'T WANT TO USE JS
I WANT TO USE CSS.
Then you say...
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3. Browser sniffing is inherently bad. There is almost no reason to write browser-specific code. Those rare and bizarre cases are due to IE limitations and can be worked around using IE-specific conditional statements in the header. |
because again youappear to think I want browser sniffing and that I want to render
browser-specific html which of course is the total opposite of what I want.
The funny thing is that I thought I might get someone that didn't grasp what
I wanted so I separated the question to make it absolutely clear, like
this....
THE QUESTION:
Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript?
.... and you go and answer with "Yes" which to me was just plain stupid and
as unhelpful as anyone could possibly be, so I hope you (and others) can see
why your reply annoyed me.
Anyhoo, sorry for being short with you.
Andy
PS: After I typed this reply I re-read it and it occurred to me that you may
have thought that the question was about how to write "expanding" code when
it's really about "I made these cool transparent cells but they screw up
when you expand them unless you use browser specific code, which I want to
avoid" but that is a long shot as everyone knows that tables expand on their
own without any code.
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On 11 Apr 2008, "Andrew Bailey" <andy (AT) REMOVETOEMAILMEmanyplay (DOT) com wrote: Hi Guys, What about the gals? Is it possible to replicate my expanding cell example without javascript? THE EXAMPLE URL: http://www.microbuild.com/microbuild...d_example.html From viewing your sample page, it is just about the easiest thing in the world using server-side methods. Here is an _empirical_ php example: div TEST<br TEST<br TEST<br ? if ($biggy) { ? TEST<br TEST<br TEST<br TEST<br TEST<br ? } ? /div a href="mypage.php?biggy=anything">Expand</a Btw, Jim Moe isn't an idiot, and you should really be more polite when you're asking for help. -- Neredbojias http://www.neredbojias.com/ Great sights and sounds |
Whoops!
It looks like I haven't made my question clear enough as it would appear
that you think I want to know how to expand a table cell?
When in reality, my question is about transparent cells that stop being
transparent when you expand them.
Andy
PS: I have apologised and explained my response to Jim as a reply to his
reply.
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