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Re: Daylight saving in NSW -
03-30-2008
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Adrienne Boswell wrote: I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether. I propose a campaign to eliminate the scourge of DST by 2016 (the 100th anniversary of the first usage of DST). |
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Adrienne Boswell wrote: I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether. Indeed -- I've been saying that for years. In fact, my vote is that we scrap timezones altogether and everyone goes by UTC all the time. I'm not suggesting that children in New Zealand ought to be going to school at night time, and eating their lunches by the light of the moon -- they'd keep their normal routines, it would just be the notation used for times that would change. |
you travel from the UK to the USA, and arrive in what previously was a
timezone at UTC-7, you'll have to tell your mind that 1am is time to
get up, and breakfast will only be served till 3am. Of course your
body will agree with you that 3am is way too early to be even thinking
of breakfast, but I'm not sure which would be confused more - your
body or you mind - when trying to adjust to a new time schedule.
You'd still have the jetlag, but now on top of it you have to keep
calculating the times.
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Baho Utot <baho-utot (AT) invalid (DOT) org> wrote: DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits). In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than having an extra hour of daylight in the evening. That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer, because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five. This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx. 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it. What part of "It's about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are active" didn't you understand? |
re-lables it.
You don't gain or get anything.
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Sure, either way. Whether a person likes that or not is varying but why make people change their clocks - just to aggravate them more? Probably because it's a lot easier to only change the clock I beg to differ. All that clock-changing is one royal PITA. It would be _much_ simpler to have something like a "time-offset" twice per year wherein everything occurs an hour earlier in spring and later in fall as a matter of course. |
and then I can forget that I even did it. Using a 'time offset' for half
a year means I constantly have to remember that we did, so that regular
meetings and other scheduled things are suddenly rescheduled. That would
indeed be a PITA for my computerized diary.
It would also cause lots of little misunderstandings and disagreements.
Let's say that we work in the same office, and we have a weekly meeting
at 10.00 AM each monday. Would that meeting change to 9.00 AM too? You
probably say that it does, but I may disagree. Why would the meeting
have to change? The fact that we now come into the office one hour
earlier has little or nothing to do with our meeting, so as far as I'm
concerned 10.00 AM means 10.00 AM. BTW, wouldn't it be silly if the Nine
O'Clock News was suddenly at eight? Just setting the clock one hour
earlier avoids all those problems.
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DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits). In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than having an extra hour of daylight in the evening. That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer, because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five. This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx. 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it. What part of "It's about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are active" didn't you understand? Nothing, You have exactly the same amount of "daylite" DST only re-lables it. You don't gain or get anything. |
I'll type it slowly:
It's not about gaining an hour of daylight each day. It's about gaining
an hour of daylight d u r i n g t h e t i m e t h a t y o u
a r e a w a k e.
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In article <13uue50sovdbeef (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Phil Kempster <phil (AT) kempster (DOT) info> wrote: Couldn't agree more. If you want to trade with an adjoining time zone, get up an hour earlier [1]. You don't have to bother the cows and the school children at all, let the rest of us stay in tune with the sun. It's crazy that we're totally controlled by little mechanical devices strapped to our wrists. [1] I live in a half hour time zone, like Newfoundland! Venezuela? |
And we don't change over until next weekend - screwing up all of the
auto-programmed changes.
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Toby A Inkster wrote: Adrienne Boswell wrote: I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether. Indeed -- I've been saying that for years. In fact, my vote is that we scrap timezones altogether and everyone goes by UTC all the time. I'm not suggesting that children in New Zealand ought to be going to school at night time, and eating their lunches by the light of the moon -- they'd keep their normal routines, it would just be the notation used for times that would change. Would make it a bit difficult for long distance travellers I think. |
arrive 8 hours by all the clocks after you departed. That is the
reason that the USAF keeps UMT, calling it Zulu.
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people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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On 30 Mar 2008, Baho Utot <baho-utot (AT) invalid (DOT) org> wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:34:20 -0400, Warren Oates wrote: In article <pan.2008.03.30.12.46.16 (AT) invalid (DOT) org>, Baho Utot <baho-utot (AT) invalid (DOT) org> wrote: All days have approx. 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it. Can you cite a reference for that? Sure just Google for As The World Turns  The world doesn't turn. It is stationary; the rest of the universe just revolves around it. |
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good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good
people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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On 30 Mar 2008, nomail (AT) please (DOT) invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote: Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.com/_eml/fliam.php> wrote: Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing the starting time of everything you do makes any difference whatsoever? Absolutely! I means not having to screw with the clock and clock-type mechanisms such as computer time. My computer sets the change automatically. But it needs to know what time zone it's in, doesn't it? And that involves human intervention. |
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people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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