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Re: Daylight saving in NSW -
03-30-2008
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Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing the starting time of everything you do makes any difference whatsoever? Absolutely! I means not having to screw with the clock and clock-type mechanisms such as computer time. |
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It still means you have to get up one hour earlier. Sure, either way. Whether a person likes that or not is varying but why make people change their clocks - just to aggravate them more? |
change every time table and every schedule. I'm sure people would find
that much more impractical and would miss regular meetings, planes,
trains and busses before they finally got used to the new schadules. But
hey, I didn't invent DST, so don't ask me why it was done this way and
not another way.
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I like DST. We have one more hour of daylight in the evening, so it really makes me feel that summer is on its way. Move to Tortuga; it's summer there all the time. |
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> writing in news:doraymeRidThis- A9BDFE.13582730032008 (AT) news-vip ...ptusnet.com.au: In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my machine at fault (not me, of course.) I hate daylight saving time. It's a waste of time. The sun isn't going to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers are the the farm an hour earlier. Traffic accidents spike at the beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep. I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether. |
own rule regarding DST. Comparing actual energy usage before and after
the state legislature forced everyone to DST and allowing for yearly
temperature variations, using neighboring counties as controls, showed
an increase in energy usage. See
<http://gizmodo.com/365527/daylight-s...tually-waste-e
nergy> for more details.
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In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my machine at fault (not me, of course.) Why hasn't Jukka joined the thread, to scream that this belongs in |
thread belonged in rec.food.chocolate.)
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I hate the thought of change the clock twice a year, if people wants one more hour of daylight in the evening, then just see to that the state/country switches timezone one step to the right, for example most of Europe would just change from CET to EET and the problem is solved and no need to switch the clock, whats the point to change the time for a couple of months when the standard time is used, DST is used the majority of the year. |
about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are
active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why
it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits).
In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or
using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour
of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and
are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than
having an extra hour of daylight in the evening.
That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer,
because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it
from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed
time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work
from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five.
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Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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Probably because it's a lot easier to only change the clock, than to change every time table and every schedule. I'm sure people would find that much more impractical and would miss regular meetings, planes, trains and busses before they finally got used to the new schadules. But hey, I didn't invent DST, so don't ask me why it was done this way and not another way. |
accommodate DST, so if you were taking the train you had to figure it
all out an hour earlier (and this was in the days when their were two
railways and you actually _could_ take a train to most places in
Canada). It caused all sorts of problems; you'd walk into a railway
station and time seemed to move backwards. Nowadays they (the railways)
change with the Americans like everyone else except in that little town
in Saskatchewan where the mayor still pokes a stick into a cow patty at
noon every day to measure the angle of the sun.
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W. Oates
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Couldn't agree more. If you want to trade with an adjoining time zone, get up an hour earlier [1]. You don't have to bother the cows and the school children at all, let the rest of us stay in tune with the sun. It's crazy that we're totally controlled by little mechanical devices strapped to our wrists. [1] I live in a half hour time zone, like Newfoundland! |
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J.O. Aho <user (AT) example (DOT) net> wrote: I hate the thought of change the clock twice a year, if people wants one more hour of daylight in the evening, then just see to that the state/country switches timezone one step to the right, for example most of Europe would just change from CET to EET and the problem is solved and no need to switch the clock, whats the point to change the time for a couple of months when the standard time is used, DST is used the majority of the year. DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits). In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than having an extra hour of daylight in the evening. That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer, because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five. |
hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the
reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx. 24
hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.
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Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my machine at fault (not me, of course.) |
option to set the time automatically for America, Europe and Asia and
then to choose your "time zone" within those broad areas.
The US changed the date of DST for this year and mine went thru
automatically with only this setting in the Preferences.
If it is not working for you, try trashing the preference file and
re-setting for your zone.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing
good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good
people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
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This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx. 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it. |
It is about having more daylight hours when people can take advantage of
them. Having more daylight time before they wake up or before they go to
work is no help to the vast majority of people. Having more daylight time
AFTER work is extremely helpful.
Yes, in theory everyone could go to work an hour earlier and return an hour
earlier without changing the clocks, but the reality is that this will never
be viable for anyone that is not self-employed and/or makes use of services
provided by other people who also work on a schedule.
As for just moving the clock and leaving it that way that is not done (at
least in the US) because people do not want their children going to school
in the morning while it is still dark. As others have stated the extra hour
of light in the evening loses its advantage once it moves within the time
people are working (those that work indoors anyway) so to leave it in DST
all year would give us six months of the disadvantages without any of the
advantages.
Frankly people who feel this is disruptive have pretty small things to
complain about. Moving the dates on which the clocks are to be changed was
a PITA for a lot of electronic/computerized systems, but the actual time
change is no big deal at all.
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All days have approx. 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it. |
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