Daylight saving in NSW

Neredbojias wrote:

On 04 Apr 2008, Lewis <g.kreme (AT) gmail (DOT) com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

That's the point. Instead of having the onus the dst, your company
(and everyone) adjusts hours for the seasonal solar variation. So in
warmer half of the year, you'd be expected to be at work at 8am.
And what if my employer doesn't want to do that? Or worse, what if
mine DOES, but my wife's doesn't?

What if your employer wants to change your start-time now? Is there
anything you can do about it?

Of course. You can quit. Or, negotiate. And if your employer does not
wish to negotiate? Well, it is HIS job, not yours, after all, eh? It
is HIS company, not yours, right? So, that job exists not because of
you but because of him. So. If you want that job, with whatever
current specs for it exist because of the owner's requirements, well,
adjust or find a new job. Life is hard, get used to it. But, also, get
real. It is not "your" job. It is "his" job and he can offer it to
anyone he likes, for whatever terms he likes. It is HIS business, not
yours. And it's his job, not yours. If you have the qualities that he
decides the job demands, great! You now have a negotiating point!
Convince him that you posses the qualities he needs for that particular
job. If you cannot? Well, you're shit outta luck. But, it's still HIS
job, not yours. He is the one producing the commercial benefit, not you.
His is still the risk, not yours. He is the one betting it all on his
idea for a business, including how to take care of employees. Your role
is to do such a wonderful job that he thinks you're indespensible. If
you can't do that, well, you are at risk.

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On 05 Apr 2008, Ed Mullen <ed (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:

Neredbojias wrote:
What if your employer wants to change your start-time now? Is there
anything you can do about it?


Of course. You can quit. Or, negotiate. And if your employer does not
wish to negotiate? Well, it is HIS job, not yours, after all, eh? It
is HIS company, not yours, right? So, that job exists not because of
you but because of him. So. If you want that job, with whatever
current specs for it exist because of the owner's requirements, well,
adjust or find a new job. Life is hard, get used to it. But, also, get
real. It is not "your" job. It is "his" job and he can offer it to
anyone he likes, for whatever terms he likes. It is HIS business, not
yours. And it's his job, not yours. If you have the qualities that he
decides the job demands, great! You now have a negotiating point!
Convince him that you posses the qualities he needs for that particular
job. If you cannot? Well, you're shit outta luck. But, it's still HIS
job, not yours. He is the one producing the commercial benefit, not you.
His is still the risk, not yours. He is the one betting it all on his
idea for a business, including how to take care of employees. Your role
is to do such a wonderful job that he thinks you're indespensible. If
you can't do that, well, you are at risk.

Well, that was my point. Lewis has no more influence over his employer
with or without DST. Furthermore, the seasonal "starting-an-hour-earlier"
thing would be a convention on a par with resetting clocks under the latter
system so any business's or person's option would be the same. Ergo, his
objection is fallacious.

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:29:09 -0500, Lewis
<g.kreme (AT) gmail (DOT) com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

That's the point. Instead of having the onus the dst, your company (and
everyone) adjusts hours for the seasonal solar variation. So in warmer
half of the year, you'd be expected to be at work at 8am.

And what if my employer doesn't want to do that? Or worse, what if mine DOES, but my wife's doesn't?

It's a free country, whether or not there is DST, you can either
comply with whatever your employer wants, or get a new job.

But in your case, she gets the kids around in the morning, you get
them around in the evening.

On 30 Mar 2008, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removethis (AT) comcast (DOT) net>
wrote:

dorayme wrote:
In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an
hour today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region
basis (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed
up. Had to manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose,
it is just my machine at fault (not me, of course.)

Why hasn't Jukka joined the thread, to scream that this belongs in
comp.systems.clocks? (Hmm, he didn't even complain that the Easter egg
thread belonged in rec.food.chocolate.)

Probably 'cause he's spending all his time in health.mental.crabasses.

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