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Re: Browser Issue - IE, Of Course -
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In article <lo59u31j839a8gc1chns0ge80vb3a7etiu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Lupine Predator <lupine (AT) pack (DOT) c0m> wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:09:11 +1100, dorayme doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: In article <jk39u31hl0eg5dun3cv73mv95goh8err27 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Lupine Predator <lupine (AT) pack (DOT) c0m> wrote: Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link: http://www.deborahsprintshop.com Hi Lupine, First thing to do is put a doctype on the top. This will help you in IE. Look this one up first in your studies. I suggest you use 4.01 Strict, validate your html doc and that is the start. The next thing to do is to consider whether you have the time and patience to do without the easier to use tables for such a simple layout that you have. That is something to familiarise yourself with, the idea that tables, strictly are best reserved for tabular data rather than general layout of pages. Woah!! Thanks for the quick reply!! What would you suggest in place of tables? <div> ? I'm not really clear on the use of divs, though I need to get myself there. Perhaps you can take a look at a quick alternative markup of the sort of thing you like, naturally, it is for you to work on to make as you like. And there would be more elegant than this for sure, but it might get you going: http://members.optusnet.com.au/debra...t/deborah.html or http://tinyurl.com/36w52v Looks ok in Safari and Firefox. I can't say about the other browsers at the moment. |
One question about this: I chose to go with styles in the page code
itself. I've been told - and read - that an external style sheet is
more efficient.
Opinions on that?
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One question about this: I chose to go with styles in the page code itself. I've been told - and read - that an external style sheet is more efficient. Opinions on that? |
Reasoning: Any request for a file from your server entails a bit of
overhead, and each stylesheet is another file. However, caching (at
client or server level) can mean eliminating the request to your server
in the first place.
If you have more than one page of content on your site, and any styles
are duplicated on multiple pages, you're probably* better off moving
those rules to an external stylesheet. That gives you less duplication
in each content page, therefore smaller pages, ergo more of the
efficiency I think you're talking about.
As a webmaster/administrator, it's generally easier for me to put all
the CSS in one stylesheet (okay, I might have more than one for a site,
and I do have separate sheets for print, say), so all the rules tend to
be in one place. I often (but not always) put unique, one-use only rules
in the central, external stylesheet, which (a) helps me locate them and
(b) helps me notice when my styling gets out of hand. So there's another
kind of efficiency to consider.
HTH
* Yes, "probably" is a weasel word, although I can't think of when this
wouldn't be true. Looking around for arguments against.
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John
Read about the UIP: http://improve-usenet.org/
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It's nice to be a novice at something, come in and ask for help, and not get flamed to h*ll and back for it... Not only was I not flamed, but I received answers almost immediately. *This* is what usenet *should* be... |
thuggery of any kind, all the roles are just that, like in Punch and
Judy shows.
There's always a nice fire burning on cold winter nights and a hot cocoa
brought. You can get international croissants, the killfiles are even
well furnished and serviced if you go a bit wild and need cooling off.
This is civilised land. Not like those other horrible groups over there
where they wait for the unsuspecting to walk in and BANG, they pounce
and rip you to pieces...
Your treatment has absolutely nothing to do with both (you and Mike's)
nice manners. It is the strict (4.01) policy of the group towards
everyone. Even towards Jerry Stuckle.
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dorayme
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:45:24 +1100, dorayme doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: ... http://www.deborahsprintshop.com .... Perhaps you can take a look at a quick alternative markup of the sort of thing you like, naturally, it is for you to work on to make as you like. And there would be more elegant than this for sure, but it might get you going: http://tinyurl.com/36w52v Looks ok in Safari and Firefox. I can't say about the other browsers at the moment. And it looks great in Opera *AND* in IE... One question about this: I chose to go with styles in the page code itself. I've been told - and read - that an external style sheet is more efficient. |
to be seeing them easily for this exercise. That is all. Best to hive
them off to an external sheet and link to it.
When I am making a new page I sometimes add some inline styles because
it is quick and dirty and immediate but later remove them. Occasionally,
you may want to over-ride something in a main external stylesheet for a
particular page. For example, the links on this pag need a different
color or background. The head of the page is not a bad place to do this
in.
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dorayme
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From: lupine (AT) pack (DOT) c0m Now, I need to go and start reading through this group. I might learn a thing or fifty in this place! |
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If you check this site in Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful.... |
classify an all red page with some white text and a few pictures,
where the thumbnails go to a new page that has a white background, and
the images are still too tiny to see. Jeez, if you going to have a
thumb at least make the larger image LARGER.
The word beauty and this site are not even on the same continent.
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But IE just screws everything up. |
until someone else is the primary browser the world uses, to your
visitor, it is you that has screwed up. But then again, your in
Vermont, a highly liberal state. So there is a better change that
more of your users use something other than IE. Not because they know
it is an inferior browser. But because they do not want to support
the "Evil corporation Microsoft...."
Let me take a look at the code... Holy sweet mother of purple
kawala!!! Ok, Now I understand why you call your site beautiful.
When I coded like that, I called my stuff beautiful too. (fading to a
flash back, one second) Ok, I'm back.
How the heck can you have so much code, and say so little? My guess
is that most of the people here could duplicate your site in about a
10th of the code.
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Can anyone suggest a fix for this? |
few good books on how to make a website and read them. Then start
over. In the long run it will pay off. This this thing on line so
you have a presents out there, then go spend 2 weeks doing nothing but
reading books, tutorial websites, this forum, and start playing around
with the things you are reading. THEN in 2 weeks, open your website
again and to go to town. I promise that when you look at your site in
2 weeks and compare it to what you have not you will be saying "Thank
you Travis. You truly are one of the Web Gods...."
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starting to comment....
(I hope you take this post in the manner it was written. But I do
think the page is ugly, and I am a web God no matter what anyone here
says!)
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Yea, go to the local boarders, or jump on Amazon and get your self a few good books on how to make a website and read them. Then start |
start. But only a start, I know.
Head First HTML & XHTML with CSS.
Published by O'Reilly
Authored by Elisabeth and Eric Freeman
Inexpensive for what it is, and what it is is a complete course in
HTML / CSS. Imagine you were taking a classroom course in HTML, then
this book is that course written down. Easy to follow... I'll stop
going on.
Just get it.
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On Mar 21, 11:49 pm, Lupine Predator <lup... (AT) pack (DOT) c0m> wrote: If you check this site in Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful.... Well beauty is in the eyes of the beholder... I personally don't classify an all red page with some white text and a few pictures, where the thumbnails go to a new page that has a white background, and the images are still too tiny to see. Jeez, if you going to have a thumb at least make the larger image LARGER. The word beauty and this site are not even on the same continent. But IE just screws everything up. Why of course it does. You and I know it is an inferior browser. But until someone else is the primary browser the world uses, to your visitor, it is you that has screwed up. But then again, your in Vermont, a highly liberal state. So there is a better change that more of your users use something other than IE. Not because they know it is an inferior browser. But because they do not want to support the "Evil corporation Microsoft...." Let me take a look at the code... Holy sweet mother of purple kawala!!! Ok, Now I understand why you call your site beautiful. When I coded like that, I called my stuff beautiful too. (fading to a flash back, one second) Ok, I'm back. How the heck can you have so much code, and say so little? My guess is that most of the people here could duplicate your site in about a 10th of the code. Can anyone suggest a fix for this? Yea, go to the local boarders, or jump on Amazon and get your self a few good books on how to make a website and read them. Then start over. In the long run it will pay off. This this thing on line so you have a presents out there, then go spend 2 weeks doing nothing but reading books, tutorial websites, this forum, and start playing around with the things you are reading. THEN in 2 weeks, open your website again and to go to town. I promise that when you look at your site in 2 weeks and compare it to what you have not you will be saying "Thank you Travis. You truly are one of the Web Gods...." http://www.deborahsprintshop.com Now, I need to go and start reading through this group. I might learn a thing or fifty in this place! Damn damn damn damn.... one should always read the ENTIRE post before starting to comment.... (I hope you take this post in the manner it was written. But I do think the page is ugly, and I am a web God no matter what anyone here says!) |
made for, not my own. By beautiful, I meant that it works perfectly
in every browser, except IE. *I* didn't come up with the color
scheme, the fonts, the text size, or the gallery style, the person who
owns the site did.
Her email about it, after I designed it the way she asked me to:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: site
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:31:16 -0400
From: <Snipped>
To: <Snipped>
References: <Snipped>
Love it!!! Love it!!!
the thumbnail pics are really cool. the way they blow up. and
fast!!
only comment is wherever there is small font - make it bigger..
like a Verdana or Arial -
contact page font i like - can you make bigger
I like the layout --- 'photographing' i think s/b 'photograph'
??maybe a space between lines - (bullet lines)
thanks so much
Deb
(The small font she's referring to was Times Roman - she wanted larger
Arial.)
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As for all the code, as I said, I'm a newbie at this, really. Throw
some COBOL or RPG at me - even PASCAL, and I'm fine. But I'm ancient.
I used Dreamweaver. And yeah, I know - it does all kinds of things
that you don't really want it to. But, it's what I'm familiar with at
this point - I'm still in the learning stages.
So, yeah, I can take this message in the spirit it was meant, but I'll
say this in response: If you *are* a web God, then you know that it's
what the *client* wants, not what *I* think looks best. I can try to
persuade, but in the end, it's the client's call.
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I can try to persuade, but in the end, it's the client's call. |
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Berg
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I can try to persuade, but in the end, it's the client's call. FYI, contrary to popular belief, the client isn't always right. |
they want. They have the option of listening to your opinion and
taking your suggestions (I mean they did hire you because you were an
expert), or firing you and hiring someone that will do it their way.
Their call may not be "right", but if is their call.
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