A big thank you and a small question.

www.thermachek.com

Hi all.

Many people have helped me in the last few weeks. I have grown from
knowing very little to knowing a little more. I wish I could give back
to you all, but please take my thanks. The above site still has some
tweaking, but it's 95% there and it wouldn't have been without you.

<bows>

The question is about resizing text and keeping the left and right
columns. The columns are just floats so the main content just fills in
between them although it has a div to allow styling.

If I put fixed left and right padding on the central content, then the
left and right columns 'appear' to grow downwards even when empty,
which is the effect I would like. But, what measurement to use to try
NOT to squash the content to almost nothing as the text expands? If I
use em's there is no way to set a max-padding and it expands very
quickly. If I use px it loses all trace of a gap between the content
and the column quickly. % doesn't look too good either.

(Can I use negative values anywhere I wonder? Experiment tomorrow.)

If I put fixed margins on the columns then the content text flows
under them when thier content runs out. I suppose the answer is to
make sure there is enough (invisible?) content.

And, I have one other small niggle thats annoying me. On the index
page I have a small <ol>. Why are the numbers flowing left further
than the rest of the text? It should indent, shouldn't it?

Things I need to do still include:

fill some columns, adjust the header for text size increases, fill the
footer, fill the links, spellllchackk again... and what?

I'm off to bed again. Night night all. Don't let my snoring stop you
from living!

Mike.

Mike Barnard wrote:

www.thermachek.com

Many people have helped me in the last few weeks. I have grown from
knowing very little to knowing a little more. I wish I could give back to
you all, but please take my thanks. The above site still has some
tweaking, but it's 95% there and it wouldn't have been without you.

Well, you might bring yourself up to date on your alt.html dues, which I
note are outstanding for the first quarter of 2008.

--
Blinky the Shark
Treasurer, alt.html

Sounds like A LOT of BIG questions to me! LOL

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:44:04 +0100, Mike Barnard
<m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

www.thermachek.com

Hi all.

Many people have helped me in the last few weeks. I have grown from

This is still true.

The question is about resizing text and keeping the left and right

But I'm happy enough with this now. %ages everywhere, seems to work
reasonably well to my eye.

And, I have one other small niggle thats annoying me. On the index
page I have a small <ol>. Why are the numbers flowing left further
than the rest of the text? It should indent, shouldn't it?

This is still nagging me.

Things I need to do still include:

fill some columns, adjust the header for text size increases, fill the
footer, fill the links, spellllchackk again...

Done. Whatdyathink?

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:31:04 +1000, dorayme
<doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

In article <h3qfv3tnp97ds8lfmi435ggab8j568jr0k (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:44:04 +0100, Mike Barnard
m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


www.thermachek.com


And, I have one other small niggle thats annoying me. On the index
page I have a small <ol>. Why are the numbers flowing left further
than the rest of the text? It should indent, shouldn't it?

This is still nagging me.

Hi again. Nice to 'hear' from you.

Have you tried:

ol style="list-style: inside; list-style-type: decimal;"

Nope, new to me. But what isn't? I'll research what that means,
tomorrow. Thanks.

Btw, your lead in to the list of "three options" does not suggest an
"ordered" list.

Heh, you and your list fetish! To me it says... "3" options, but
yes it could easily be an ul as well.

In article <h3qfv3tnp97ds8lfmi435ggab8j568jr0k (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:44:04 +0100, Mike Barnard
m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


www.thermachek.com


And, I have one other small niggle thats annoying me. On the index
page I have a small <ol>. Why are the numbers flowing left further
than the rest of the text? It should indent, shouldn't it?

This is still nagging me.

Have you tried:

<ol style="list-style: inside; list-style-type: decimal;">

Btw, your lead in to the list of "three options" does not suggest an
"ordered" list.

--
dorayme

In article <6ntfv31g7acdniid76chr8vilpqfeie820 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:31:04 +1000, dorayme
doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

In article <h3qfv3tnp97ds8lfmi435ggab8j568jr0k (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:44:04 +0100, Mike Barnard
m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


www.thermachek.com


And, I have one other small niggle thats annoying me. On the index
page I have a small <ol>. Why are the numbers flowing left further
than the rest of the text? It should indent, shouldn't it?

This is still nagging me.

Hi again. Nice to 'hear' from you.

No need to put the "hear" in quotes. Why am I using them then in the

last sentence, I hear you ask. Because I am quoting the word. And
please, I know what you are wondering, why am I so pedantic. But you
will need to send $10 to get an answer on that one. You can't have just
anything from me for free, old son.

Have you tried:

ol style="list-style: inside; list-style-type: decimal;"

Nope, new to me. But what isn't? I'll research what that means,
tomorrow. Thanks.

Btw, your lead in to the list of "three options" does not suggest an
"ordered" list.

Heh, you and your list fetish! To me it says... "3" options, but
yes it could easily be an ul as well.

I am as cool as a cucumber about lists. Let's see now, you have 3
options. That does not mean they are ordered options. This is the
important point about the idea behind an ordered list, the order! Or so
it is thought by many, including probably the inventors.

There is an idea, I don't know if you know about it, that semantic mark
up is a good thing to aim for. Thus, if you have a paragraph, make it a
<p></p>, if you have a main heading, make it <h1></h1>. Do not use the
latter just because you want some text REALLY BIG and this html element
happens to have a default css style in most browsers of big and bold.
Big and bold is a presentational thing which can be achieved by styling
the appropriate element. ols happen to default to decimals but this does
not mean you should use this html element it because it has the numbers.

However, you are in luck with a lot of browsers. I have noticed that you
can use a ul and still have the code I suggest to get your numbers. Now,
you get an unordered list with numbers, no semantic mistake being made.

<ul style="list-style: inside; list-style-type: decimal;">

Try it!

And if it proves not wholly reliable cross-brower, there is always the
ul with "1. List item" and "2. List item" to fall back on.

You have fallen int a world that is richer and lovelier than the Garden
of Eden.

Your website is looking good. (btw. I like the dynamic effect of your
portrait. It goes from being frightening on the left to nice on the left
and now it has gone to the right. When you get into absolute
positioning, you can have it anywhere you want).

--
dorayme

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:57:32 +1000, dorayme
<doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

In article <6ntfv31g7acdniid76chr8vilpqfeie820 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:31:04 +1000, dorayme
doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

In article <h3qfv3tnp97ds8lfmi435ggab8j568jr0k (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:44:04 +0100, Mike Barnard
m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:


www.thermachek.com


And, I have one other small niggle thats annoying me. On the index
page I have a small <ol>. Why are the numbers flowing left further
than the rest of the text? It should indent, shouldn't it?

This is still nagging me.

Hi again. Nice to 'hear' from you.

No need to put the "hear" in quotes. Why am I using them then in the

Because I can't really hear you, just read you, but saying read you
doesn't sound right even if it is. Is it? So I emphasised that hear
isn't quite right, or so I intended.

Hey, I'm starting to sound like you. Have I developed an Aussie
accent?

last sentence, I hear you ask. Because I am quoting the word. And
please, I know what you are wondering, why am I so pedantic. But you
will need to send $10 to get an answer on that one. You can't have just
anything from me for free, old son.

I don't have any dollars, just pounds. Hmmm, you've been in alt.php
haven't you.

Have you tried:

ol style="list-style: inside; list-style-type: decimal;"

Nope, new to me. But what isn't? I'll research what that means,
tomorrow. Thanks.

Btw, your lead in to the list of "three options" does not suggest an
"ordered" list.

Heh, you and your list fetish! To me it says... "3" options, but
yes it could easily be an ul as well.

I am as cool as a cucumber about lists. Let's see now, you have 3

I bet I'm cooler. See my post 'snow'.

options. That does not mean they are ordered options. This is the
important point about the idea behind an ordered list, the order! Or so
it is thought by many, including probably the inventors.

There is an idea, I don't know if you know about it, that semantic mark
up is a good thing to aim for. Thus, if you have a paragraph, make it a
p></p>, if you have a main heading, make it <h1></h1>. Do not use the
latter just because you want some text REALLY BIG and this html element
happens to have a default css style in most browsers of big and bold.
Big and bold is a presentational thing which can be achieved by styling
the appropriate element. ols happen to default to decimals but this does
not mean you should use this html element it because it has the numbers.

However, you are in luck with a lot of browsers. I have noticed that you
can use a ul and still have the code I suggest to get your numbers. Now,
you get an unordered list with numbers, no semantic mistake being made.

ul style="list-style: inside; list-style-type: decimal;"

Try it!

Now I'm up and about I will, thanks.

And if it proves not wholly reliable cross-brower, there is always the
ul with "1. List item" and "2. List item" to fall back on.

You have fallen int a world that is richer and lovelier than the Garden
of Eden.

'tis good indeed. I like it. Look, a Pyrus nivalis.

Your website is looking good.

Thanks for the compliment, but it wouldn't be anything without the
help recieved from you and the others in this group.

(btw. I like the dynamic effect of your
portrait. It goes from being frightening on the left to nice on the left
and now it has gone to the right. When you get into absolute
positioning, you can have it anywhere you want).

You want a laugh? Look at the about me page and see the old picture
of me when I was in the army. Groan...

In article <rdbhv31sp4048jl2rp7pmub81ude5dv8q3 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

dorayme
Mike Barnard <m.barnard.trousers (AT) thunderin (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
dorayme
Mike Barnard
www.thermachek.com
Hi again. Nice to 'hear' from you.

No need to put the "hear" in quotes.

Because I can't really hear you, just read you, but saying read you
doesn't sound right even if it is. Is it? So I emphasised that hear
isn't quite right, or so I intended.

I know why you did it. You might as well put '' around "see" when you
use it to acknowledge understanding as in "I see what you mean ..." No
need.

--
dorayme