Re: iFrame Problem

On 20 May 2005 04:14:05 -0700, "Safalra" <usenet (AT) safalra (DOT) com> wrote:

Jamie wrote:
Hi there,

I am having a problem with the below page.

So you said in alt.html.writers - answers can be found there. If you
need to post to multiple newsgroups, please crosspost rather than
multipost.

Sadly, you can never satisfy those who run these groups. When
you go to one group and multipost, you are asked not to do that. Then
you go to another group and crosspost, and those folks aren't happy.

Then, they jump on some guy for not bottom posting. I think
bottom posting is a pain, myself. And there are others that share my
view. But, a vigilante mob comes down on them if they don't do it the
exact way a particular group requires it.

It wouldn't be so bad if they were civil about it, but many of
them are very nasty and abusive. But the above reply was just
somewhat impolite. That *is* an improvement over many of the other
newsgroups.

My personal position is that it is unreasonable to expect
everyone on Usenet to post to the exact specifications that are
required on a particular group because people are always jumping from
group to group. I don't know about you, but my memory isn't good
enough to remember the rules for every list I visit on Usenet.

And improvement on the diplomacy would go a long way towards
getting many of these users to cooperate with you. They will never be
perfect, and you have to accept that.

And I am *not* a friend of the guy that came up with the idea
of mandatory bottom posting on Usenet, or couldn't you tell. ;-)
Personally, I think it is a pain to have to scroll to the end of every
message to read the new comments as everything else has already been
posted and read. But, that's my preference. If I start a newsgroup
of my own, I'll request that they top post. But I won't burn them if
they don't.

I ran what was a very successful list called 'Mishmash' and it
lasted for many years. It is still around, but has finally teetered
out. I didn't allow abusive behavior on the list. We kept very good
clientele. And we had many a good discussion on things of interest.

Sorry, but it always kind of annoys me when when a moderator
comes down publicly on one of the users. I only did that when someone
exercised abusive behavior towards others. And if we couldn't settle
it peacefully, we (generally, the users on Mishmash, but sometimes I)
would ask them to leave. And they were asked in a graceful manner.
If they didn't go gracefully, I sent the command to delete them from
the list membership.

Regards,


Fred

Well first of all sorry for offending you Safalra by posting exactly how you
would like.

Secondly thank you Fred for your support.

I do agree with Fred that it is sometimes put across in a very impolite
manner and I also prefer top posting to bottom posting.

Also how am I supposed to know the rules of this newsgroup is there a secret
place which specifies each newsgroups preferences?

I have used newsgroups for many years now and use so many that it is
difficult to keep up with what each one prefer. It seems to me that a lot
of newsgroups these days prefer to flame a user rather than to give useful
information and advice. Maybe the role of newsgroups has changed over the
years.

Regards

Jamie

"Fred Atkinson" <fatkinson (AT) mishmash (DOT) com> wrote

On 20 May 2005 04:14:05 -0700, "Safalra" <usenet (AT) safalra (DOT) com> wrote:

Jamie wrote:
Hi there,

I am having a problem with the below page.

So you said in alt.html.writers - answers can be found there. If you
need to post to multiple newsgroups, please crosspost rather than
multipost.

Sadly, you can never satisfy those who run these groups. When
you go to one group and multipost, you are asked not to do that. Then
you go to another group and crosspost, and those folks aren't happy.

Then, they jump on some guy for not bottom posting. I think
bottom posting is a pain, myself. And there are others that share my
view. But, a vigilante mob comes down on them if they don't do it the
exact way a particular group requires it.

It wouldn't be so bad if they were civil about it, but many of
them are very nasty and abusive. But the above reply was just
somewhat impolite. That *is* an improvement over many of the other
newsgroups.

My personal position is that it is unreasonable to expect
everyone on Usenet to post to the exact specifications that are
required on a particular group because people are always jumping from
group to group. I don't know about you, but my memory isn't good
enough to remember the rules for every list I visit on Usenet.

And improvement on the diplomacy would go a long way towards
getting many of these users to cooperate with you. They will never be
perfect, and you have to accept that.

And I am *not* a friend of the guy that came up with the idea
of mandatory bottom posting on Usenet, or couldn't you tell. ;-)
Personally, I think it is a pain to have to scroll to the end of every
message to read the new comments as everything else has already been
posted and read. But, that's my preference. If I start a newsgroup
of my own, I'll request that they top post. But I won't burn them if
they don't.

I ran what was a very successful list called 'Mishmash' and it
lasted for many years. It is still around, but has finally teetered
out. I didn't allow abusive behavior on the list. We kept very good
clientele. And we had many a good discussion on things of interest.

Sorry, but it always kind of annoys me when when a moderator
comes down publicly on one of the users. I only did that when someone
exercised abusive behavior towards others. And if we couldn't settle
it peacefully, we (generally, the users on Mishmash, but sometimes I)
would ask them to leave. And they were asked in a graceful manner.
If they didn't go gracefully, I sent the command to delete them from
the list membership.

Regards,


Fred