iframes, ilayer, and xframes

Hi all,
Looking at the XHTML recommendation I found the reference to the xframe
tag. What I wasn't able to determine was whether or not it is 1) backward
compatible - that is recognized by older browsers, 2) whether it was
recognized in both competing browsers, IE and Netscape.
Secondly, it seems that iframe works in IE and not in Netscape, is that
correct? Netscape uses ilayer, right? If that is true I'd assume that if
the content I wanted on my page was not recognized within a iframe tag, then
it would use the ilayer and vice versa. I don't want it to show up for
twice.
Thanks,
Bruce

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"Funds needed for survival" <bruce (AT) trianglewebhosting (DOT) biz> wrote:

Looking at the XHTML recommendation I found the reference to the
xframe tag.

I don't think so. You might have been looking at some fancy draft.

What I wasn't able to determine was whether or not it is 1)
backward compatible - that is recognized by older browsers,

Of course it's not recognized by older browsers. But that's not how
backward compatibility works in HTML. It works by giving old browsers
content that they present acceptably, after ignoring _tags_ (not
elements) they don't understand.

2) whether it was recognized in both competing browsers, IE and
Netscape.

Oh, I see... you are trolling, right? Your From field supports this
conclusion, and so does this:

Secondly, it seems that iframe works in IE and not in
Netscape, is that correct?

It might be a correct observation that it seems so to you. Hard to tell.
I presume "Netscape" here means the undead zombie, Netscape 4 (or maybe a
previous version?).

Netscape uses ilayer, right?

For some values of "Netscape" and "right".

If that is
true I'd assume that if the content I wanted on my page was not
recognized within a iframe tag, then it would use the ilayer and vice
versa.

The question does not parse.

I don't want it to show up for twice.

Find. Then use none of iframe, ilayer, xframe. It won't show up twice
then. Or even once. There might be uses of iframe that make sense, but
you have made it rather clear, especially with your URL, that this isn't
one of them.

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

"Funds needed for survival" <bruce (AT) trianglewebhosting (DOT) biz> wrote:


Looking at the XHTML recommendation I found the reference to the
xframe tag.


I don't think so. You might have been looking at some fancy draft.


What I wasn't able to determine was whether or not it is 1)
backward compatible - that is recognized by older browsers,


Of course it's not recognized by older browsers. But that's not how
backward compatibility works in HTML. It works by giving old browsers
content that they present acceptably, after ignoring _tags_ (not
elements) they don't understand.


2) whether it was recognized in both competing browsers, IE and
Netscape.


Oh, I see... you are trolling, right? Your From field supports this
conclusion, and so does this:


Secondly, it seems that iframe works in IE and not in
Netscape, is that correct?


It might be a correct observation that it seems so to you. Hard to tell.
I presume "Netscape" here means the undead zombie, Netscape 4 (or maybe a
previous version?).


Netscape uses ilayer, right?


For some values of "Netscape" and "right".


If that is
true I'd assume that if the content I wanted on my page was not
recognized within a iframe tag, then it would use the ilayer and vice
versa.


The question does not parse.


I don't want it to show up for twice.


Find. Then use none of iframe, ilayer, xframe. It won't show up twice
then. Or even once. There might be uses of iframe that make sense, but
you have made it rather clear, especially with your URL, that this isn't
one of them.

Let me re-phrase the original poster's question;

Is there a valid way, to create a frame within a frame, using XHTML,
without using a framset page?

Secondly, if the answer to the first question is 'Yes,' how is this done.

<disclaimer>
I know that iframes are usually misused. Such as difficulties setting a
bookmark to load the correct inner and outer page; people with
non-frames-capable browser not seeing all the content, used poorly for
division of content where a block-level element would do...etc.

I still would like to know how
</disclaimer>

Will Gittoes <AskMeForIt (AT) NoSpam (DOT) org> wrote:

Let me re-phrase the original poster's question;

My first impression, from the comprehensive quotation and from the From
line, is that this is continued trolling. And I cannot see how you see
your question as a re-phrase of the original poster's question. For
example, where is xframes? It was on the Subject line and in the first
paragraph of the original question, so it must be very essential, must it
not?

Is there a valid way, to create a frame within a frame, using XHTML,
without using a framset page?

You haven't defined what you mean by "frame". If it means <frame>, the
answer is trivially "no"; you cannot have even unnested <frame> without
putting it inside <frameset>. If it really means "inline frame", i.e.
<iframe>, despite your not saying so, then the answer is equally
trivially "yes". Of course the document referred to by the src attribute
of an <iframe> element may itself contain an <iframe> element.

I know that iframes are usually misused.

If you wish to have answers to some non-trivial questions, then explain
what you would use nested inline frames for, instead of just claiming you
know the problems.

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