DHTML Software

Guy Macon wrote:

Bergamot wrote:

Notepad sucks.

There are far, far better tools out there

Those tools are far better *after* you learn the basics of creating
a page by hand.

That's a matter of opinion, and I think yours is wrong.

If you use a better tool from the start, it hurts
the learning process.

Seems to be an editor that provides syntax highlighting would help the
learning process, not hinder it. It certainly helps you find typos easier.

Once the new user knows how to close his tags, create
his tables, forms, and links, etc. by hand, *then* he
should look into tools that automate those tasks.

Who said anything about automating tag completion, or even an editor
that was html-centric?

There are plenty of general purpose plain text editors that have nothing
to do with web stuff specifically, but have tools that do make you more
productive, like syntax highlighting, macros, extended search/replace,
project or folder management, etc.

Why make the learning process painful (using Notepad) if you don't have
to (using something like Crimson Editor)?

Not before.

Certainly, before.

--
Berg

On Jul 10, 3:47*pm, Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.net/_eml/
fliam.php> wrote:

On Jul 10, 10:56*am, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
Even Notepad is slightly more full featured than I like.
I would prefer that the user be forced to format his
time/date entries by hand.
What a retarded statement. *Why not just make them use charred stick
and a piece of animal hide.
'Cause the font-size would tend to be non-uniform.

Damn those font sizes!!! They always get me into trouble!

On 10 Jul 2008, Travis Newbury <travisnewbury (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Jul 10, 3:47*pm, Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.net/_eml/
fliam.php> wrote:
On Jul 10, 10:56*am, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
Even Notepad is slightly more full featured than I like.
I would prefer that the user be forced to format his
time/date entries by hand.
What a retarded statement. *Why not just make them use charred stick
and a piece of animal hide.
'Cause the font-size would tend to be non-uniform.

Damn those font sizes!!! They always get me into trouble!

It's not the size of the font that counts but the zip in the glyphs.

--
Neredbojias
http://www.neredbojias.net/
Great sights and sounds

Neredbojias wrote:

On 10 Jul 2008, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:

For someone just starting out in creating web pages, I always
advise the simplest possible plain text editor. Later, they
can move to a better text eitor (UltraEdit on Windows, Vim and
EMACS on Linux/BSD are good choices), and after that they can
even move to a WYSIWYG HTML editor, but starting with the plain
text editor is important for learning. You don't learn how to
design and build cas by buying and driving a Subaru or Honda.

Wow, which text editor does that!??

ROFLOL.

Err? I think it's called: CarEditPro4000. It has filters which trap
such faux pas as:

- Bumper too big!!!
- No air bags!!!
- Oooo! Sharp edges on your dashboard!!!

On the other hand, it really needs to be improved to include traps for:

- You dolt! You're still under 40 MPG!!!

and

- Carbon alert! Carbon alert! Uh ... I'm sorry I can't translate the
current socio-political climate into anything meaningful.

Oh, and it really needs to have the "slap your head" USB attachment
added for:

- BABY ALERT! BABY ALERT! You're an idiot!!! Your baby is not in an
approved seat!!!

And when this program (and/or car) comes out I am going to go buy a gun
and start shooting.

(geez, love the randomness of my signatures!)

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
UnHallmark Card: I must admit, you brought Religion into my life. I
never believed in Hell until I met you.

Travis Newbury wrote:

On Jul 10, 10:56 am, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
Even Notepad is slightly more full featured than I like.
I would prefer that the user be forced to format his
time/date entries by hand.

What a retarded statement. Why not just make them use charred stick
and a piece of animal hide.

Especially if the piece of animal hide is still "on the hoof."

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
How good bad music and bad reasons sound when we march against an enemy.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

On 10 Jul 2008, Ed Mullen <ed (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:

For someone just starting out in creating web pages, I always
advise the simplest possible plain text editor. Later, they
can move to a better text eitor (UltraEdit on Windows, Vim and
EMACS on Linux/BSD are good choices), and after that they can
even move to a WYSIWYG HTML editor, but starting with the plain
text editor is important for learning. You don't learn how to
design and build cas by buying and driving a Subaru or Honda.

Wow, which text editor does that!??


ROFLOL.

Err? I think it's called: CarEditPro4000. It has filters which trap
such faux pas as:

- Bumper too big!!!
- No air bags!!!
- Oooo! Sharp edges on your dashboard!!!

On the other hand, it really needs to be improved to include traps for:

- You dolt! You're still under 40 MPG!!!

and

- Carbon alert! Carbon alert! Uh ... I'm sorry I can't translate the
current socio-political climate into anything meaningful.

Oh, and it really needs to have the "slap your head" USB attachment
added for:

- BABY ALERT! BABY ALERT! You're an idiot!!! Your baby is not in an
approved seat!!!

And when this program (and/or car) comes out I am going to go buy a gun
and start shooting.

(geez, love the randomness of my signatures!)

--UnHallmark Card: I must admit, you brought Religion into my life. I
--never believed in Hell until I met you.

Must've been written by dorayme's ex-husband...

--
Neredbojias
http://www.neredbojias.net/
Great sights and sounds

Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:

For someone just starting out in creating web pages, I always
advise the simplest possible plain text editor.
You don't learn how to
design and build cas by buying and driving a Subaru or Honda.
I think examining a real car provides far superior training in

designing and building cars than a drafting table, a sheet of paper
and a copy of "Teach Yourself Car Design in 21 Days".

I would advise a beginner to "buy and drive" a web site (that uses
CSS) from Open Source Web Design <http://www.oswd.org/>. I would also
advise them to examine and alter it with the most high level
development environment available. The best of them include a context
sensitive reference book and can make navigating the DOM
understandable. The latter is particularly important for beginners.

I did not offer the above advice to the OP because he asked about
DHTML rather than [X]HTML. I would still advocate a high level
development environment but it is impossible to choose that without
knowing the server-side processing, if any, he might favour.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:37:16 +0000, el David Segall punched in:

I would advise a beginner to "buy and drive" a web site (that uses CSS)
from Open Source Web Design <http://www.oswd.org/>.

I browsed there in FFox3.0, and the text of
the opening page was writing
all over itself in the upper right hand corner.
I had to reduce text size before it was readable.

This is one of those pages where
passing validation is not enough.
I would suggest free, simpler, and more
robust templates from
http://realworldstyle.com/
or one of the similar free sites.